Frasers Property (formerly: Frasers Cpt (FCL))

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One must not under-estimate the flight of Chinese $ - if they can... it doesn't take a lot of able Chinese after they flee their $ to look for a safe harbour...

From the readings, local Aussies have been priced out on top of the structural difficulties to bring out the supplies to cater to the demand.

The structural difficulties differs from state to state and since Australia is a big nation, even transparent policies can be a minefield for established players.

We have seen it in St****** where Ow is well known for his cautious and astute moves in all his business executions.

I have always highlighted the dangers of make it rich Singapore companies taking plunges into the Aussie property markets... hence there is a reason to pay a premium to buy an established management (not to mention that it was owned by Capland for more than 1 decade).

Apart from that, it appears that many have under-estimated Towkay's deep pockets... in addition, one should never rule out friendship and mateship for an established player like him.

He is certainly firing on many fronts:

i) he parted with some of his prized hotel assets into FHT and did not ask for any stake in the management company that is wholly owned by FCL, ie he is telling mkt... fee no worries... FCL will earn 100% despite owning 22% of FHT while Towkay owns 40% of FHT

ii) the passing of the moratorium deadline 10 July, where many analysts speculated that he will streamline his stakes in Thai Bev/F&N/FCL... no need to for the time being as price may not be right for him

iii) his ongoing bid for UE in his private capacity

iv) his participation in FCL perpertuals... ie his way of further funding FCL's supposedly fair priced catch in ALZ...

More interesting episode unfolding... stay tuned...

GG

(18-09-2014, 04:35 PM)specuvestor Wrote: I must be lazy as well since I am very skeptical where the demand is coming from when Aussie economy slowing down and unemployment rises. So prima facie supply not meeting demand is right but we have to understand the fine print

Towkay bought FNN/ centerpoint at peak of Singapore property cycle. The main difference is that he and Lippo were both very hardworking in shedding the assets. Is his timing really good or his execution?
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(18-09-2014, 04:35 PM)specuvestor Wrote: His money is from some BVI that is like the SPV of the CDO crisis where bankers lend them short term and invest long to roll down the curve? Forumer Contrarian knows what I'm talking about

I must be lazy as well since I am very skeptical where the demand is coming from when Aussie economy slowing down and unemployment rises. So prima facie supply not meeting demand is right but we have to understand the fine print, which seems like only lazy people would bother

Towkay bought FNN/ centerpoint at peak of Singapore property cycle. The main difference is that he and Lippo were both very hardworking in shedding the assets. Is his timing really good or his execution?

economy slow down most time only means that no more new money/investment. Money/investment made before and return from them has to go somewhere. It can go abroad, or it can stay. If it stays, property is one of the natural attraction for money when there is no good business investment.

However, it does not mean that I am bullish on Aussie properties. Australia is one of the worst place to do business in the world.
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http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/premium/...8-20140919

PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 19, 2014
FCL S$600m perpetual bonds priced at 4.88%
BYSIOW LI SEN
lisen@sph.com.sg @SiowLiSenBT

FRASERS Centrepoint Ltd's (FCL) S$600 million debut perpetual issue, the largest perpetual deal this year, has been snapped up, said DBS Bank on Thursday.
The hot demand led to the subordinated NC-5 perpetual bonds being priced at 4.88 per cent, lower than the initial guidance of 5 per cent.
NC-5 means the bonds cannot be redeemed by the issuer until the fifth year, or Sept 24, 2019.
Orders were in excess of S$3.5 billion, said DBS.

(17-09-2014, 05:52 PM)greengiraffe Wrote: FCL perpetuals closed with a demand of S$3.5bn.

Final yield cut off is typical Charoen style 4.88%.

At the moment, the upper limit on the issue remains at S$600m. However, given the red hot demand and FCL's need for long term funding, an upward revision on the issue cannot be ruled out and future re-taps remain possible.

With conservative investors confident enough to write blank cheques for Godfather Charoen, one should just eliminate the rights issue concerns and focus on the master strokes that Charoen will be delivering on FCL.

Vested
GG
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Mkt not impressed with the latest development? Price seems to have reacted? 1.675 now.
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how to be impressed with so many doubters and non believers

(19-09-2014, 02:44 PM)jaykay Wrote: Mkt not impressed with the latest development? Price seems to have reacted? 1.675 now.
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I am a believer. I am in the same boat with Towkay.
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Then no worries... Rome is not build in a day and just sit tight for the wrong term... and enjoy the journey...

(19-09-2014, 04:37 PM)jaykay Wrote: I am a believer. I am in the same boat with Towkay.
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(19-09-2014, 04:37 PM)jaykay Wrote: I am a believer. I am in the same boat with Towkay.
Towkay is not God, he is human like you and me, he can screw up too, I hope you keep that at the back of your mind....Shy
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(19-09-2014, 07:10 PM)MINX Wrote:
(19-09-2014, 04:37 PM)jaykay Wrote: I am a believer. I am in the same boat with Towkay.
Towkay is not God, he is human like you and me, he can screw up too, I hope you keep that at the back of your mind....Shy

noted but he is too smooth that even bankers are convinced... even fundies are convinced that those who need to track the index have little choice but to buy both F&N and FCL despite the still thin free float of 12%...

I rather trust Charoen than some train wreckers that keeps steering into troubled China housing markets and remain convinced that they are ok...
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(19-09-2014, 07:58 PM)greengiraffe Wrote:
(19-09-2014, 07:10 PM)MINX Wrote:
(19-09-2014, 04:37 PM)jaykay Wrote: I am a believer. I am in the same boat with Towkay.
Towkay is not God, he is human like you and me, he can screw up too, I hope you keep that at the back of your mind....Shy

noted but he is too smooth that even bankers are convinced... even fundies are convinced that those who need to track the index have little choice but to buy both F&N and FCL despite the still thin free float of 12%...

I rather trust Charoen than some train wreckers that keeps steering into troubled China housing markets and remain convinced that they are ok...

Now that you mentioned China property... why do towkays like Kuok, Peter Lim and esp Wee Ee Chao see in Yanlord?

Wee will buy in whenever prices weaken.
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