US loses Triple-AAA rating for first time

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The United States' credit rating was cut for the first time ever Friday when Standard and Poor's lowered it from triple-A to AA+, citing the country's looming deficit burden and weak policy-making process.

Standard and Poor's revised the nation's rating downwards to a AA+ with a negative outlook, despite a push back from the White House which said its analysis of the US economy was deeply flawed.

It was the first time the US was downgraded since it first received a triple-AAA rating from Moody's in 1917; it has held the S&P rating since 1941.

Moody's and a third ratings agency, Fitch, say they continue to study the deficit plan to see if the US merits being kept in their ranks of AAA countries.

The blow came after the White House, Democratic and Republican lawmakers finally agreed on Tuesday to a deal to raise the nation's debt ceiling after months of wrangling which sent jitters rippling through the global economy still trying to recover from the 2008 recession.

A debt downgrade will be a symbolic embarrassment for President Barack Obama, his administration and the United States, and could raise the cost of US government borrowing.

Since the dollar and US Treasury bonds are so central to world trade and finance, a downgrade theoretically could rock the global economy which is already being battered by the eurozone crisis.

But some analysts have questioned whether a ratings cut would impact demand for US debt, have dismissed the raters as having low credibility, and questioned whether the markets would take much notice.

Ratings agencies Moody's and Fitch both reaffirmed their AAA rating of US debt shortly after Obama signed a bill raising the debt ceiling on Tuesday.

The downgrade technically signaled that it is more likely than before that the United States could renege on its debts.

There was no immediate comment from the White House or the Treasury on the reports.

But a source close to the discussions said: "There are deep and fundamental flaws with the S&P analysis."

S&P is considered the most influential of the three major rating agencies which also include Moody's and Fitch.

It has been the most aggressive in moving towards a US downgrade. On April 18, S&P lowered its outlook attached to the AAA rating from "stable" to "negative," citing the absence of a credible plan for reducing Washington's huge fiscal deficits.

In July, during the protracted standoff over raising the government's debt ceiling between Obama and Republicans, S&P placed the United States on credit watch and warned there was "at least" a one-in-two chance that it would cut the rating within 90 days.

S&P also suggested any deficit plan needed to trim some $4 trillion over 10 years; the plan that has passed only envisages cuts of up to $2.4 trillion.

There are currently 17 nations boasting a AAA debt rating from S&P along with three other territories -- Hong Kong, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.

Moody's, the oldest credit agency, placed the US on a downgrade watch on July 13 and upheld its rating Tuesday after Congress passed the last-minute deal which avoided a debt default.

But Moody's also added a "negative" outlook to its rating, warning it could still downgrade the United States if the deficit-slashing plan goes astray, if fiscal discipline weakens, or if growth deteriorates significantly.

Fitch opened a review of the US rating on June 8 and said it would be completed by the end of August.

After the debt deal was clinched, Fitch said the United States would keep its AAA rating but warned it was under review.
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#2
when the world goes to hell, everyone floods to Treasuries. S&P wouldn't make a difference
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#3
A relevant question: What's the real difference between 'AAA' and 'AA+' for the U.S.?

To me, it is more symbolic that real. What does S&P know in the actual running and ravamp of U.S. Government's finances?

Clearly, the real solutions for the over-borrowing situation of the U.S. Government must lie with having the political will to make changes - in cutting wasteful and unnecessary spending, raising taxes; and selling some assets - and allowing enough time for the changes to work through the system. I believe the process has already started, but it will take time to yield results!
Watch Obama's latest speech on the economy and the Administration's work to prepare veterans for the workforce [5Aug11, delivered at Washington Navy Yard, Washington, D.C.].....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-vid...1-veterans
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(06-08-2011, 09:33 AM)dydx Wrote: A relevant question: What's the real difference between 'AAA' and 'AA+' for the U.S.?

To me, it is more symbolic that real. What does S&P know in the actual running and ravamp of U.S. Government's finances?

Clearly, the real solutions for the over-borrowing situation of the U.S. Government must lie with having the political will to make changes - in cutting wasteful and unnecessary spending, raising taxes; and selling some assets - and allowing enough time for the changes to work through the system. I believe the process has already started, but it will take time to yield results!
Watch Obama's latest speech on the economy and the Administration's work to prepare veterans for the workforce [5Aug11, delivered at Washington Navy Yard, Washington, D.C.].....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-vid...1-veterans

Do they have the political will? Raising of taxes for the rich, republicans will do it?
This is what S&P said in summary
"Standard & Poor's cut the US credit rating for the first time in history Friday, saying the country's politicians are increasingly unable to come to grips with its massive fiscal deficit and debt load"

They have pointed correctly the reason for downgrade.





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S&P just announced late this evening that they have downgraded the U.S. debt rating from AAA to AA+ with a negative outlook.

NIA is absolutely shocked by this. What shocks us is just how long it took them to make this downgrade. Just like how S&P and Moody's didn't downgrade subprime CDOs until the mortgage-backed bonds they held were practically worthless, S&P waited for U.S. debt obligations to reach five times GDP and for the U.S. dollar to lose 84% of its purchasing power over the course of a single decade. The U.S. was a hair away from defaulting on its debt this week if the debt ceiling wasn't raised, yet it still had a AAA rating.

NIA believes that a AAA rating should be reserved for countries that have budget surpluses, low levels of debt that could easily be paid off without printing money, and low levels of inflation. The U.S. had a cash budget deficit last year of $1.3 trillion, but once you include increases to unfunded liabilities, our real budget deficit was approximately $5 trillion. Even if Americans were taxed 100% of their income it wouldn't be enough to balance the budget.

It is hard to imagine a fiscal situation worse than this, but the credit ratings agencies have justified giving the U.S. a AAA rating based on the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency and the Federal Reserve's ability to monetize our deficits and debts by printing money. If it wasn't for our printing press and the world's willingness to accept and hoard the dollars we print in return for the real products and commodities they produce, the U.S. credit rating would be junk.

S&P claims that their reason for downgrading the U.S. debt rating at this time is because, "the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge". According to S&P, it is because our two political parties are so far apart that we weren't able to pass a bill with anything but modest spending cuts. The reality is, the Republicans and Democrats aren't far apart at all. Neither parties are serious about cutting spending and the underlying fundamentals of both their proposed bills were exactly the same. The Republicans that American tea party supporters elected to office have broken their promises to make major spending cuts and have accomplished absolutely nothing positive since entering office.

Our country just had an unbelievable opportunity to dramatically cut government spending in a last ditch effort to prevent hyperinflation. Instead, our government passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling that had no real spending cuts at all. The mainstream media tried to spin the bill into being a victory for U.S. tea party supporters due to the purported "spending cuts" that it contained. The truth is, government spending is set to rise every single year until the dollar is worthless. The $2.1 trillion in phony spending cuts are only tiny reductions to large spending increases and none of them will begin until early 2013 when we will need to once again raise the debt ceiling. Even if the government in early 2013 decides to follow through with them, rising interest payments on our national debt will mean substantially larger budget deficits than what are projected today.

Credit ratings agencies have absolutely zero credibility left and we believe that with hyperinflation coming soon, credit ratings will become a thing of the past. To capitalize on this, on May 23rd NIA suggested to you put options in the only publicly traded pure credit ratings play, Moody's (MCO). On May 23rd with MCO trading for $37.90, NIA suggested to you MCO November 2011 $35 put options at $1.98. MCO today closed at $32.88 and our MCO put option suggestion finished the day with a last trade of $5.20 for a huge gain of 163% in a little over two months. NIA is very pleased that we figured out the #1 most profitable way to capitalize on the major fundamental shift that is taking place in this industry and as far as we are aware, NIA is the only organization in the world that suggested MCO puts in recent months.

With the stock market down big in recent weeks, NIA believes that this evening's news is already mostly factored into stock prices. With the Fed Funds Rate having been left near zero for over two years, the world is flooded with excess liquidity of U.S. dollars and there is no chance of the stock market crashing like in late-2008/early-2009. In fact, the recent downward move in the stock market means the Federal Reserve is likely to soon implement additional monetary inflation measures and will leave the Fed Funds Rate near zero permanently.

The GDP was already on its way to becoming negative in the second half of 2011 and if the U.S. wants to avoid a debt default later this decade, it needs the Federal Reserve to print enough money to see at least 5% annual nominal GDP growth. It's not just the Federal Government that needs GDP to grow, but most cities and states will default on their debts if GDP doesn't grow rapidly. Cities and states don't have printing presses so unless the U.S. government wants to bail them all out like the European Union is bailing out Greece, Portugal, and Ireland, it needs to create GDP growth even if that means the Federal Reserve eliminating interest payments on the $1.6 trillion in excess reserves held by banks and taxing banks who don't lend the money.

NIA prays that Americans don't make the mistake of buying U.S. Treasuries as a safe haven, as they are now the riskiest asset of all. If U.S. Treasuries rally next week, it will only be temporary and will be followed by the largest and sharpest reversal in history with a crash in Treasury prices and an explosion in yields like never seen before. Most Keynesian economists will likely forecast rising Treasury prices despite the U.S. debt crisis, because they claim the bond markets in other countries are tiny compared to ours and there simply is no other place to park safe haven money. In our opinion, there is no reason to own the fiat currency denominated bonds of any country or company. Gold and silver are the only true safe havens and it is our belief that by the end of this year, the U.S. public will begin investing into gold and silver in droves as they realize that although we avoided a debt default for now, a debt default by inflation is still on its way. The largest ever short-term rally in precious metals and mining stocks is ahead.

It is important to spread the word about NIA to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, if you want America to survive hyperinflation. Please tell everybody you know to become members of NIA for free immediately at: http://inflation.us
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#6
So USA is doomed !!!

What happens now?

Worldwide stock market going to crash and all currency going to be reduced to banana notes and gold going to chiong to 10,000 ????


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(06-08-2011, 11:53 AM)Zelphon Wrote: So USA is doomed !!!

What happens now?

Worldwide stock market going to crash and all currency going to be reduced to banana notes and gold going to chiong to 10,000 ????
So how?
Hyperinflation coming soon right
De-leverage and consodidate your fund.
Hang on to your job first, best way to hedge inflation
Banana note in the making...useless usd paper will flood the world
Think market will be bad for a while.
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hyperinflation could happen or deflation could happen.

Americans could choose to tighten the belt.
if you think US as a company, will S&P's, Moody's or Fitch give it an "AAA" or "AA+" rating?

If a compamy has as much unsecured debt as its revenue, will any bank be willing to lend?
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(06-08-2011, 02:33 PM)freedom Wrote: hyperinflation could happen or deflation could happen.

Americans could choose to tighten the belt.
if you think US as a company, will S&P's, Moody's or Fitch give it an "AAA" or "AA+" rating?

If a compamy has as much unsecured debt as its revenue, will any bank be willing to lend?

The future is uncertain...analysts are split on the impact of downgrading if any...there have been no such prior cases for such a global currency..

to me, it is either neutral or negative...and if u add on the problems in Europe, massive assets bubbles in Asia plus signs of asia slowing down....

Yes, a perfect Storm is brewing....
Time to get out!






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